Latest Vote Count (9:57pm) : Was 92% before. Not sure now.
| Party | Con | PL | Total | | PPP | 198 | 35 | 233 | | Dems | 128 | 33 | 161 | | Chat Thai | 36 | 4 | 40 | | Puea Paendin | 18 | 6 | 24 | | Ruam Jai Thai | 10 | 1 | 11 | | Matchima | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Pracharaj | 3 | 1 | 4 | | Total | 400 | 80 | 480 | |
Source: MCOT
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (11:32pm:) Some articles. SMH, The Australian, The Telegraph. The PPP numbers seems to go up and down. The latest it was 226. It is hard to say how many votes are yet to be counted.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (11:15pm:) TITV interview Prachai and he wants a recount in Zone 6 as Matchima only have just over 30,000 votes - thus meaning Prachai will lose out.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (10:35pm:)
In the South, there were 56 seats. The Democrats are leading in 50 seats at the moment and have leading in all 44 seats outside the southern border provinces. In the 12 seats in the 3 southern border provinces, the Democrats are leading in 6, PPP in 2, Puea Paendin in 3, and Chat Thai in 1.
In Bangkok, the Democrats are leading in 26 compared to PPP's 10
In the Central Region, PPP are leading in 40 seats, the Democrats in 34, and Chat Thai in 17, Matchima in 2, Pracharaj in 3, and Puea Paendin in 2.
In the North, PPP are leading in 46 seats, the Democrats in 16, 8 Chat Thai in 8, Matchima in 2, Ruam Jai Thai Chat Pattani in 2, Puea Paendin in 1.
In the Northeast, PPP leading in 98 seats, Puea Paendin in 12 seats, Ruam Jai Thai Chattana in 9, Democrats in 3, Chat Thai in 10 and Matchima in 3.
COMMENT: PPP will be disappointed by their performance in Bangkok, but will be pleased by their performance in the Central Region and their dominance in the Northeast. The Democrats will be pleased by their performance in Bangkok and on the party vote. All the other parties will be disappointed. I think the PPP's poor performance in Bangkok is a problem for both Chalerm and Samak as they were expected to increase the PPP vote. Polls suggested they would too. While the votes were quite close in many constituencies, a loss is a loss.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (10:02pm:) Peau Paendin leader Suvit appears to have lost his seat in Constituency 3 in Khon Kaen. He is in fourth place now with 92,877 and the third place PPP candidate who has 98,241.
COMMENT: He needs a miracle or a little helping hand from the EC with a PPP candidate getting a red card otherwise Suvit can't be Prime Minister. So Samak it must be then.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (9:52pm:) The Manager reports Puea Paendin spokesman denies that party leader Suvit has been invited to Prem's residence. The spokesman says he is at the residence of a Puea Paendin executive, but refuses to say which one.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (9:45pm:) Kom Chad Luek reports that Sanan (yes that Sanan) of Chat Thai says if the EC gives PPP 20 red card votes then the Democrats have a chance.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (9:37pm:) On constituency vote, PPP won 19,304,821 votes compared to the Democrats 15,723,776 - please don't compare such votes to previous elections as now some voters have 2 or 3 votes. On the party list vote, PPP have 11,389,226 party list votes compared to 11,177,038.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (9:31pm:) Democrat press conference:
Think about the people before thinking about the 111 executives [BP Good quote].
In English, "The PPP has failed to win an overall majority it wanted. We don't know yet the results of the proportional representation race". The PPP has won the most number of seats and has issued an invitation to other party leaders. We have won more than 10 million votes on the constituency seat.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (9:20pm:) Democrat press conference:
Abhisit flanked by Suthep thanks all the voters who voted for them. Abhisit says the appro 160 seats is the highest the Democrats have ever received and also on the party list that both PPP and the Democrats are very close.
In reference to Samak's press conference about parties joining in coalition with PPP, the Democrats will not join with the PPP. Abhisit says they will accept the decision of other parties if they decide to join PPP.
Abhisit also says if PPP cannot form a government then the Democrats are willing to form a government, but now up to other parties whether they want to talk to PPP.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (9:13pm:) From New Mandala:
Jakrapob Penkhair, PPP spokesman, just had a press conference at the party headquarter saying that the two parties, Chart Thai and Motherland, have been summoned to meet at Gen Prem’s residence. The news is not confirmed by other involved parties.
COMMENT: I also heard that Banharn and Suvit went to see Prem. It seems there was a question asked about it at the press conference, but it was not possible to hear all the questions.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (9:03pm:) PPP press conference:
Samak was talking about the entire country being in sync with the Suan Dusit exit poll except for Bangkok. He makes mention of the absentee and adance voting and no exit poll of them.
COMMENT: There is a hint that there might have been some shenigans, but is is extremely open to interpretation.
The TV screen shows the Democrat Party HQ when Samak is talking at the press conference. They don't look happy. A lot of sad faces. They appear to be listening to Samak speaking.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (8:55pm:) PPP press conference:
Samak: Thanks for all the people who voted for PPP. Says they are 10 away from a simple majority. I will invite all parties who can work with us to join us in order to form a government. About 300 seats for a coalition. When people seize power, this election shows the people will respond in the only way they know how.
Samak: I will be the PM. Thanks for the EC. Says that many people tried to prevent the election from taking place.
People lost their freedom on September 19. The election results are a message to any future persons who want to seize power.
When asked how many parties will join the coalition, he said as many are needed to make the coalition strong. Samak said Thaksin called someone close by
Samak takes questions from the foreign journalists. He is asked about whether he has been in contact with the CNS. He says there is no need to do this. [He just repeats what he says above]. After 15 years no one think they would do something like this. If there is an opportunity, there will be amnesty for the 111 TRT executives.
COMMENT: Actually, Samak sounds quite articulate in English. A Samak-hater has passed on a message to me that the are surprised as to who good Samak sounds when talking in English.
Analysis/Comment/News (8:35pm:) PPP press conference:
Samak: Thank your for everyone for waiting.
Dr. Surapong: Following the results from the evening until now, it is consistent with our internal polling numbers except for Bangkok which is vastly different from their numbers. They say there are big differences between the advance/absentee voting and now.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (8:35pm:) TITV the Dems are leading in 25 seats in Bangkok to 11 for PP. About 5 or 6 are still close.
New Mandala has some analysis. It starts with "The Democrat Party have only themselves to blame for their disappointing poll result". Actually, most polls predicted they would get around 120-130 seats so I don't think it is a disappointing poll result for them. They won less than 100 seats at the 2005 election so around the 160 amount is a good figure for them. Their problem is their coalition partners have done very badly. Actually, I would say there is greater support by the military for Puea Paendin than for the Democrats. Yet this support for Puea Paendin doesn't seem to have helped them. If the military had really supported the Democrats I wonder what that would have done for their poll numbers. The military can control or limit the information that people receive, but they can't make people vote for their candidates. The elite should take notice.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (8:13pm:) The MCOT website isn't reloading. TITV reports PPP with 233, Democrats with 161, Chat Thai with 36, Puea Paendin with 24.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (8:09pm:) Photo of the Day:
Source: The Manager.
Abhisit looks tired, darker and that he has put on weight -this is what he normally looks like. This is what election campaigns can do.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (7:58pm:) A friend passes on this AFP article:
This is a victory for people and democracy. It shows that the coup one-and-a-half years ago has not benefited the country or anyone,' said Surapong Suebwonglee, secretary general of PPP.
An exit poll by Assumption University gave PPP, linked with Thaksin Shinawatra, 202 out of the 480 seats up for grabs, while a poll by Rajabhat University at Suan Dusit gave the party 256 seats.
Thailand's oldest political outfit, the Democrat Party, came in a strong second, while four small parties each took a handful of seats, the polls said.
'It will definitely be a coalition government,' said Surapong, adding that it was 'normal practice' for the party with the majority of seats to form a coalition.
Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said he was not surprised with the exit polls, which tallied with their forecasts.
'So now we are in second place, and forming a coalition government is for the one that got the most,' he told reporters, but later added they were still waiting for the official results.
'If the PPP won the highest number, so it is their right to form the government, but it depends on the reaction of other parties as well,' he said.
COMMENT: The Dems see the writing on the wall on their chances of being in government, but I don't think they should be too disappointed as they have done much better than expected. They could even top PPP on the party vote. After 2005, PPP didn't form a coalition government. This timed they are forced to, but it might help them anyway.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (7:53pm:) More senior PPP leaders are heading towards PPP HQ.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (7:48pm:) Manager reports that Chat Thai leader Banharn feels extremely stressed about the poor showing by Chat Thai.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (7:43pm:) Now, we have a question of how many red cards the EC will give out to PPP. If more than 20, the Democrats can have a chance, but if they only give the red cards out to PPP candidates, more questions will be raised as to whether they are politically impartial.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (7:40pm:) Look for PPP to form a coalition and to have around 270-300 seats. Won't want more than 3 parties. Puea Paendin, or a faction of theirs, to definitely go with PPP. Their Northeast MPs will be regretting leaving the "Thaksin fold". The other one is hard to say. I don't think they want to go with Chat Thai really, but might have to.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (7:07pm:) In the three southern border provinces:
-Narathiwat Constituency 1: Dems 1, Puea Paendin 1, Chat Thai 1
-Narathiwat Constituency 2: Chat Thai 1, PPP 1
-Yala Constituency 1: Dems 3,
-Pattani Constituency 1: Dems 1, Puea Paendin 1,
-Pattani Constituency 2: Puea Paendin 1, Dems 1.
COMMENT: 40 minutes ago it was Dems 4, Puea Paendin 4, PPP 2, Chat Thai 2. Now, Dems 6, Puea Paendin 3, Chat Thai 2, and PPP 1. So the Dems only half.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (6:16pm:) Ok, The Nation's election figures seem to be a bit wonky compared with others and more importantly compared with the EC figures. PPP are improving compared with The Nation's figures (29 Dems vs 7 for PPP). According to the EC, at the latest count 25 Dems vs 11 PPP, but about 10 seats the numbers are very close.
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (6:07pm:) There are a number of close seats. The Dems seem to be doing well in Bangkok although it is very close in a number of seats
Latest Analysis/Comment/News (5:45pm:) TITV interview Chalerm of PPP at home and is quoted as saying that PPP's strong results is from (1) Thaksin's work as PM and PPP policy is supported by the people, (2) people want the economy to be fixed, and (3) the people want Thaksin to come back safely. Chalerm denies talking with other party leaders and this is up to Samak. Chalerm say that PPP will get more than half of the seats.
Latest Analysis (5:35pm:) Former Democrat Party PM and key advisor Chuan is being interviewed and is talking up Democrat party list vote and mentioning the third party votes haven't done well. [BP: Actually the Democrats shouldn't be too depressed, they have done well and better than expected]
COMMENT:
Latest Analysis (5:30pm:) Still looks good for PPP as long as they can get over 220. I can't see how the Democrats can form a government. Still very close in a number of seats with PPP just ahead (constituency votes for PPP 2,134,918 vs 1,888,574 for Dems). Actually the Democrats seem to be doing quite well. The problem is the third party vote has moved to PPP.
Latest Analysis (5:15pm:) So far looks good for PPP.
4:42pm Final Exit Poll look:
| Party | Suan Dusit | ABAC | The Nation | | | PL | Con | Tot | PL | Con | Total | PL | Con | Tot | | PPP | 35 | 221 | 256 | 37 | 165 | 202 | 38 | 162 | 200 | | Dems | 35 | 127 | 162 | 35 | 111 | 146 | 25 | 108 | 133 | | Chat Thai | 5 | 24 | 29 | 3 | 46 | 49 | 9 | 43 | 52 | | Puea Paendin | 2 | 8 | 10 | 3 | 39 | 42 | 4 | 37 | 41 | | Matchima | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 15 | 15 | 1 | 16 | 17 | | Ruam Jai Thai | 1 | 14 | 15 | 2 | 17 | 19 | 3 | 22 | 25 | | Pracharaj | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 7 | - | 12 | 12 | | Total | 80 | 400 | 480 | 80 | 400 | 480 | 80 | 400 | 480 | |
Source: Kom Chad Luek
NOTE: PL = party list/proportional representation; Con = constituency/electorate seats.
COMMENT: Well we will in a few hours see who was the most reliable.
4:40pm One of the TITV analysts saying they are hearing stories out of Hong Kong [where Thaksin is now] that Puea Paendin leader, Suvit, will be PM in a PPP-led government.
4:18pm The Nation has English language results which are a bit behind the Thai language resources.
4:06: Jorm from TITV (the Dtua Jing Chud Jen host) is interviewing to analysts. One from the Bangkok Post (or Bangkok something) and another person from King Prajadhipok's Institute (KPI). Both say that the main difference between the two polls is that the in the Suan Dusit poll shows Puea Paendin and other parties from former TRT members losing votes to PPP.
4:04pm According to TITV quoting from someone from PPP (missed the name), that PPP will not form a one party government, they will be in a coalition with others.
4:02pm Ok, no more exit polls. Now, real results. According to MCOT, so far PPP with 152, Dems with 111, Chat Thai with 39, Puea Pandin with 31, but these are very primarily results with less than 1% counted. Turnout is stated to be 69.99%.
COMMENT: Remember than urban areas will be counted first so the strong PPP numbers will come in later.
3:59pm Still nothing from the EC website, but the MCOT website has prompt results - even if you can't read Thai you can figure things out (PPP first, Dems second, Chat Thai third).
3:55pm Via Red & White in the comments from the Bangkok Post:
Election Commission member Sodsri Sattayatham criticized election commission officials tasked with investigating fraud cases for working too slowly.
“There are 578 outstanding cases and only 10 have been closed which is a bit unusual,” she said. “I think we should really consider dissolving the Election Commission if it is unable to hold the election transparently and have the Interior Minister hold the election instead. All 5 election commissioners should think about pulling their socks up because I believe they’re not up to the mark,” she said.
COMMENT: Well, if it was up to Sodsri, all candidates will be banned. Has she been given the word by the powers that be that the election isn't going as planned and so we won't accept the results?
3:43pm: The Suan Dusit poll has Ruam Jai Thai Chat Pattana at 4th. TITV interviewing Gen. Chetta, party leader and former Deputy PM under Thaksin. They expected to get at least 25 seats.
COMMENT: If it is true that Ruam Jai Thai Chat Pattna got 4th, but personally they seem to have a reasonable policy platform so it is a pleasing result.
3:40pm: No results or counting yet from the EC website.
3:37pm: TITV interviewing Democrat power-broker Suthep [see this post] who says they expect to get 170 seats. Wary of the polls. Says doesn't expect PPP to get more than 240 seats. Says that if PPP don't get more than 240 then it means the public have rejected PPP. Says tomorrow that should have more news on what the coalition will be, but it all depends on how many seats PPP gets.
COMMENT: Reading between the lines it seems the Dems internal polling puts PP at over 200 seats and is trying to turn it into unless PPP get 240 it is a "loss" for them.
3:33pm: Samak asked (actually mobbed by about 30 reporters) what he thinks about the exit polls. He says he will comment at 8pm, but thanks the people for voting for him. He then said that he will be PM.
3:29pm According to Channel 9, the exit polls (Suan Dusit poll) with constituency and party list:
- PPP: 256 seats (221 constituency + 35 party list)
- Dems: 162 (127 constituency + 35 party list)
- Chat Thai: 29 (24 constituency + 5 party list)
- Ruam Jai Thai Chat Pattana: 15 (14 constituency + 1 party list)
- Puea Paendin 10 (8 constituency + 2 party list)
- Matchima 4 (3 constituency + 1 party list)
- Pracharaj 4 (3 constituency + 1 party list)
Also, see The Nation with the Suan Dusit exit poll figures.
3:27pm: Channel 9 interviewing Sanan (former Democrat Secretary-General and now with Chat Thai) says that if it is the ABAC poll then it will be up to negotiating.
3:20: Channel 9 interviewing Prachai of Matichima (yes TPI Prachai). Very graceful thanking the people for voting them. Doesn't believe any exit polls or any opinion polls. We (the party) will continue no matter what the results. He will accept the results if they are fair (BP: If they do badly, will he see it as fair?)
3:15 pm According to Channel 9, the ABAC exit poll:
- PPP: 202 seats
- Dems: 146
- Chat Thai: 49 - 46 constituency and 3 party list
- Puea Paen Din : 42
- Ruam Jai Thai Chat Pattana: 19
COMMENT: Chuwit - not that Chuwit, but a Channel 9 reporter Chuwit at Chat Thai is saying they don't believe the Suan Dusit poll. Banharn says that Chat Thai will get more than 30 seats, but less than 50 as some polls predict. Oh it is hilarious the reporters are asking Banharn questions and he suddenly says he can't hear the questions, but will be able to hear them tomorrow. His children are in the background smiling.
Suan Dusit polls have Democrats and PPP at 35 each for the party list, but PPP have completely cleaned up in the North and the Northeast on the constituency.
3:05pm According to Channel 9, the exit polls (Suan Dusit poll):
- PPP: 256 seats (221 constituency + 35 party list)
- Dems: 162 (127 constituency + 35 party list)
- Chat Thai: 29 (24 constituency + 5 party list)
- Ruam Jai Thai Chat Pattana: 15 (14 constituency + 1 party list)
- Puea Paendin 10 (8 constituency + 2 party list)
- Matchima 4 (3 constituency + 1 party list)
- Pracharaj 4 (3 constituency + 1 party list)
COMMENT: Channel 9 speaking to Abhisit about the exit polls. Abhisit is saying that the Suan Dusit poll is not an exit poll, but a tracking poll and ABAC poll is quite different.
2:50pm EC live counting is available here.
2:30pm According to Channel 9, in Kanchanaburi in the 2 constituencies at 2pm only 58% of voters had voted which was well short of the 75% hoped for by the local provincial election commission (BP: Is this counting the absentee and advance voting?)
2:25pm:), Under the 2007 Constitution, in the Thai electoral system the House of Representatives consists of 480 Members of Parliament (MPs). This is divided into:
- 400 constituency/electorate seats. There are 157 multi-seat constituencies throughout the Kingdom. By my calculations there will be 86 three MP constituencies (ie having 3 MPs) and 71 two MP constituencies.
- 80 seats from proportional representation/party list. However, there is no longer one nationwide party list. There are now 8 provincial groupings/zones and each zone has its own party list (section 96). This means 10 seats are available in each zone. To see how the country is divided up into the 8 provincial zones see this The Nation article which has a nice graphic. My predictions on how many seats each party will get from the proportional representation/party list is available here.
2:15pm: The polling booths close at 3pm Thailand time and exit polls will apparently be available just after that. Some of the first results will come from the Dusit area in Bangkok - military stronghold and apparently they have lots of soldiers on hand to count the votes.