Fears of renewed anti-government protests and rumblings from the influential Newin Chidchob faction are delaying the ruling politicians' decision on who should be the next prime minister.Key leaders of the now defunct People Power Party (PPP) are pushing for the dissolution of the House as the best solution for ending the political crisis as some groups want to topple the current government, a source from the party said."If we hasten to vote for a new PM who comes from the Puea Thai Party, the People's Alliance for Democracy will rally and protest again. The caretaker PM should dissolve the House to return the power to the people," the source said."What is worse is that the military would likely stage a coup to end the political conflict between anti- and pro-Thaksin Shinawatra groups. This time it could last two to five years."
BP: Where do they get their sources? Is there really any broad support for a coup? The last coup only strengthened the PPP. I think even the Democrats would oppose the coup properly this time as the coup didn't do wonders for them.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to amend Article 237 and Article 237 alone to make the banning of political parties and more importantly all executives more difficult. If an executive commits electoral fraud and it is severe enough, why not ban and then prosecute them. Does anyone seriously believe that not a single Democrat executive or Peau Paendin executive was involved in vote buying? If the EC was looking at everyone equally they can dissolve all parties every election. We've had two party dissolutions. It won't end unless the law is changed. The current law was first introduced by the military and then they included it in the constitution.
I have no objection to a dissolution then although I am not sure it will change anything. If Peau Thai wins, will PAD accept it?
The article continues:
However, caretaker Prime Minister Chaovarat Chanweerakul has ruled out dissolving the House unless there is a good political reason for doing so....Moreover, Newin Chidchob's group is seen as an internal factor adding to the turmoil among the ruling politicians as it has not yet decided whether to join the Puea Thai Party - the reincarnation of the defunct PPP.The group opposes Chalerm Yoobamrung, the acting public health minister, as the next PM and has proposed that the next PM be chosen from other coalition party leaders, another source said, adding that the group fears a premier from Puea Thai might not be acceptable to the public.
BP: Sondhi L has said that no one from the 6 coalition parties would be acceptable.
Doesn't this mean Isan Pattana and the Newin faction both oppose Chalerm?
Last time, the Newin Group were making simliar noises, but it amounted to nothing. A switch is not impossible, but if Newin props up the Democrats, isn't he the type of politician who the PAD have been complaining about? What chance the PAD would stay quiet then?
The article continues:
Some observers said Newin's group could defect from the government and join the Democrat-led coalition government, along with other coalition partners. In this case, the Democrats would have enough MPs to form a new government.
BP: Didn't this meme start in May? Nothing yet to support it.
The article continues:
However, in this scenario Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva might not take the post premier, in order to avoid criticism. With his long experience and as a veteran politician, former prime minister and chief Democrat adviser Chuan Leekpai might be a better choice.
BP: Really? Chuan? So when does Abhisit get a chance?
The article continues:
Prasong Boonpong and Thanusak Lek-uthai, MPs from the PPP, said they had discussed with other parties' MPs and agreed that neutral people from the PPP or the Democrats should discuss the formation of a two-party government to solve the political crisis."The two parties should join forces to end the fighting between yellow- and red-shirted protesters. We have to do it for our children," he said, adding that other small and medium-sized parties could form the opposition.Kudeb Saikrachang, former PPP spokesman, said the caretaker government would not be an obligated authority like a normal government, but it has an urgent mission to reconcile and narrow the wide political divide before handing over power to the people.The only possible way to form a national government was for the Democrat Party to join the current coalition, he said. It is impossible for the Democrats to form their own coalition as the current coalition partners have maintained their loyalty to the caretaker government. The Democrats have insufficient MPs to do so, he added.Meanwhile, key Democrat members yesterday discussed for 90 minutes the party's chances of forming a government.They agreed the chances were slim and did not expect to head the next administration.
BP: Actually, a grand coalition to amend a limited number of provisions in the constitution is not implausible, but would the Democrats risk it and incur the wrath of PAD by joining with the "devil" party? You can see a few on the record statements there of Peau Thai floating the idea of a grand coalition.
The question remains, who to become PM?

"Grand Coalition" is just an euphemism for a government without an effective opposition. Such a government of national unity presupposes cooperation of noble people and political parties working for national interest. The one stumbling block is Thaksin. He would not be able to dictate a true government of national unity and people answering to him would not know how to function in such a warm and cozy environment.
BP, could you please recommend some Thai language blogs/forums that discuss similar issues to your blog? I want to have my Thai friends read them. Thanks for the great site.
1. Where do they get their sources?
Nobody knows. Maybe they are making it up. That's why I get so upset at what appears to be a near 100% dependance of unnamed sources.
2. Newin props up the Democrats, isn't he the type of politician who the PAD have been complaining about? What chance the PAD would stay quiet then?
Worse than that: he is one of two politicians who were supposedly planning to throw bombs at unarmed protestors prior to the 2006 coup. This was one of the reasons the army claimed they needed the coup. Now the army wants to make him a partner?
The ex-PPP may be craven scum, but let's be clear that the other side are too - we just aren't allowed to talk about it because they are protected by laws - or in the case of the army, the threat of violence.
FOOLS: All the Thai politicians are being played for fools by Chamlong/Sondhi/PAD. It is amazing that opposing political parties could not (unite) bring themselves together to acknowledge that their common enemy is the PAD movement . . . or any mass hysteria protest movement that espouses regime changes thru people power street protests, a very crude and very primitive way to change country rulers.
If the Thai political party leaders keep turning a blind eye to the threat above, before long every single Thai political party would be weakened to near irrelevance by mob rule.
All you need to throw into this mix is a sudden announcement by the Dems that Chai Chidchob would be a good compromise candidate for PM. I am sure Suthep hasnt even thought of this...
I am sure everything now is based on rumour with it involving a mix of truth, deliberate misinformation, deliberate disnformation, rumour for negotiation purpose and just pure fanciful lies.
Of course there are no true permanent friends or enemies in politics and anybody could switch to anybody else's side. However, to date this hasnt happened. Therefore we can probably assume that it would involve a very large inducement to make it happen, and even then could it be guarnteed a side swopper or shapechanger or whatever we want to call them would not at some leter date make another convenient or induced change.
Thai politcs looks like being unstable for a good while yet. Oh and we havent even started on all the possible legal cases that are being mooted.
occasional poster
Of course with the acting PM being in Newin's faction and with powers to disolve or not......
Along with the speaker of course
I guess Newin gets to name his own price and either side will be happy to accept. Lets see which way he falls. His faction is the only parliamentary imponderable that can change the balance of power. It is just a matter of is what the other side offer him better than what the current side offer him.
occasional poster
The current crisis is getting very scary because it's quite literally the future of democracy in Thailand that's being discussed. And it all revolves around the rural masses being too stupid and uneducated to vote.
Uneducated I might well agree on (and afak Thaksin's the only one who ever made any attempt at fixing that), the stupid part remains to be proved. After all, they actually manage to grow things and be productive members of society, something I'd be very hesitant to say about some of the upstanding citizens of Bangkok.
But OK, say they're dumb as a bag of hammers. No where's the proof that the Bangkok middle classes are any less stupid and gullible? Maybe they seek to prove it by hijacking airports and doing things with used tampons?
Stupid people take part in elections all over the world, and despite a few close calls, the world hasn't collapsed yet.
Dear Anonymous:
For Thai-language readers, the closest equivalent to Bangkok Pundit is prachathai.com
To its 'left' is http://www.sameskybooks.org/ (Fah Diew Kan) though its positions might turn your friends off.
Discussion on the neutral pantip.com board (Rajdamnern Ave has politics) is probably a bit too noisy and less thoughtful, though very popular.
When you get to the pro-and anti-government sites, you can get a feeling of how extreme feeling are running.
manager.co.th is of course the PAD's mouthpiece but more useful as an example of how the media can be manipulative and nasty (think Fox News X 10). It won't accept many comments critical of the PAD.
Probably the two most useful "pro-Thaksin" sites are thaienews.blogspot.com and prachatouch.com. The former has occasionally broken some actual news, but in both cases,let the reader beware, this is partisan stuff.